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Linda ChapmanGuest
I am researching information regards my Grandfather Cornelius Adriannus Stoove. He was born in Zeist to Eduard Stoove and Maria Catherina Ingwersen.
The family are told to me were originally from France, the Spanish border and fled to Holland in the 1400’s because of Religious Persecution from the Moslems. (The Moors were in power at that time in Spain).
The family were business people. Lawyer’s?? They had rea lestate business in Zeist and rented property. They also had Bakeries.
Opa (Cornelius) was also in the Dutch resistance in Utrecht area in WW2.
They came to Australia in 1951 on the ship the “Maloja”, with 3 children.
If you could help me with any information, I would appreciate it very much.
Thank You
Linda ChapmanLeendert SmitGuestDear mrs Chapman
Since 2009 I am investigating the adventures of the crew of the B-17 of Charles Crook, crashlanded near Wijk bij Duurstede on february 22, 1944. Crook mentioned in his debrieving report in the UK that he was hidden in Doorn by a coaldealer, casey. I couln’t a “Casey” in Doorn of in the rest of The Netherlands. I figures out that it was maybe phonetically written and has to be Dutch in English ears like “Casey”. Keessie in Dutch (sounds like Casey in English) is a diminutive of the first name Kees. So I asked for help of a former resistance women from the region Doorn, Loek Caspers, who lived in Driebergen in the war. She wrote me – after inquiries of other resistance workers – that it has to be Kees Stoové, the leader of the Underground in Doorn. Your story about him and Charles Crook is the conformation of it. In the remembrance of Charles Crook you wrote: “Mr Crook escaped safely away by way of Kik at Hilversum”. Do you know who was this Kik at Hilversum?Olivier MertensModeratorDear Ms. Chapman,
The best way to discover more precise information about your Dutch ancestors is by searching the database http://www.wiewaswie.nl (available in English as well). A quick search learns that your great-grandparents, Adrianus Everardus Stoové (born in Zeist, baker, 25 years old) and Maria Catharina Ingwersen (born in Amsterdam, 21 years old) were married in Watergraafsmeer on 23 July 1901. (They were divorced on 27 June 1921, but remarried in Amsterdam on 9 August 1922). The names and professions of their parents are mentioned in this marriage certificate as well – he was a son of Cornelis Adrianus Stoové, baker, and Aaltje van den Akker.
Their son Cornelis Adrianus Stoové (I presume your grandfather) was born in Zeist on 15 March 1905; he married in Doorn (near Zeist) on 1 December 1938 Catharina Elizabeth Jansen (born in Doorn, aged 20).
With this database, it’s very easy to continue your lineage to Willem Fredrik (Frederik) Stoové (it’s important to try different spelling, one wasn’t always that accurate), born in Schoonhoven, aged 18, “goudsmitsknegt” (goldsmith’s apprentice), who married in Schoonhoven on 13 September 1815 Cornelia Catharina Johanna Bettenham van Münnich, born in Breda, aged 26. His parents were Jan Hendrik Stoové and Maria Wink (in the database, her name is accidently transcribed as ‘Kruk’, but it should be ‘Wink’); Maria Wink died in Schoonhoven on 4 February 1819 (aged 53), her widower Jan Hendrik was then aged 57, so must have been born in (or around) 1762. Willem Frederik Stoové was a “kashouder” (a dealer in gold and silver) in 1845.
Before 1811 (when civil administration was introduced in the Netherlands by emperor Napoleon), research can be a bit more difficult; it is important, as said, to keep various ways of spelling in mind. For more information and help, I would advise you to contact the CBG (www.cbg.nl), the Dutch Centre for Family History.
According to a genealogical publication on ‘genealogie online’, your ancestor Jan Hendrik Stoové, a goldsmith, was ‘born’ (or perhaps, more probably, baptised) in Steyerberg (Germany, nowadays in the state Niedersachsen) on 20 April 1760, as a son of Hendrik Stoové and Anna Maria Scheer. This might very well be the case, but please keep in mind that one has to be very cautious with online publications (they do not concern primary and original sources) and ‘genealogie online’ is notoriously unreliable and untrustworthy. Hendrik Stoové would have been born, according to this site, on 13 August 1722 in Bockhop, Diepholz, Niedersachsen, but curiously enough his parents aren’t mentioned.
According to <https://www.genealogieonline.nl/van-der-pijl-stamboom/I450.php>, the family Stoové descends from Jürgen Stufe, allegedly born in August 1659 (no source is mentioned) and deceased on 4 April 1729 in Bockhop. In the Netherlands, the name ‘Stufe’ evolved to ‘Sto(o)ve’ or, seemingly (and fashionably) French (in pronunciation), ‘Stoové’.
In regard of the family ‘legend’ that the roots of the family can be found in Southern France, from where an ancestor would have fled for persecution by the Moors in Spain: it’s an intriguing story, but one has to be very careful with such mythical family traditions. The Islamic conquest of Gaul (France), following the conquest of the Iberian Peninsula (‘Al-Andalus’), was put to an end by the Franks already in the 8th century – therefore, I don’t see why anyone would have been forced to flee France due to ‘Moorish’ oppression in the 1400’s – and as it seems right now, the origins of the Stoové family, originally Stufe, can be found in Germany.
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- This reply was modified 4 days, 18 hours ago by Olivier Mertens.
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